What're your views on furry smut?
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What're your views on furry smut?
Hi All,
Bit of a random question, but just curious what peoples views are on furry smut? More than just pictures, like written stories and such, also if anyone else has ever written and submitted something they'd care to share?
The reason I ask is writing is something I've always wanted to do as a career, be the next Tolkien or something, but my more smutty stuff has gotten more views and just recently hit the 1K mark on Friday for stuff that hasn't been up a month yet which has boosted my writing confidence at least.
Bit of a random question, but just curious what peoples views are on furry smut? More than just pictures, like written stories and such, also if anyone else has ever written and submitted something they'd care to share?
The reason I ask is writing is something I've always wanted to do as a career, be the next Tolkien or something, but my more smutty stuff has gotten more views and just recently hit the 1K mark on Friday for stuff that hasn't been up a month yet which has boosted my writing confidence at least.
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I appreciate the love and effort people put into their characters. Not the things the characters put into each other!
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Re: What're your views on furry smut?
I like it and I've written/drawn plenty. But while that can be discussed as a topic, you cannot post yiff in the public areas of the forum. That is limited to the yiffy section of the forum.
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Re: What're your views on furry smut?
my view on smut is pretty good from my vantage point, \OwO/ ah can see tiddies!
seriously tho: i believe smut is what keeps the fandom alive. everyone that’s ever submitted any kind of furry media to the internet can tell you the mass appeal is in smut and this gives people a good platform to start from.
before that nihilistic hyena accuses me of talking out my ass again: i've been drawing smut for a living for a quite a few years now and i've seen some shit. for instance if you want to do clean art you have to be at a certain skill level or you simply don’t attract any attention. Heather Burton and Alector fencer have both reached a point where their art is so appealing that they hardly ever make smut anymore.
and if that’s not bad enough there is the R34 thing too \OwO/ drawing your own characters doesn’t get you noticed as much as drawing existing popular characters eventho every dingus with a pencil can draw a fucking renamon or porkyman.
Originality, Creativity, skill or hard work does not translate into success. It all hinges on the judgmental and fickle hearts of people who don’t care.
the same applies to stories but with stories you have an additional handicap because most of these people don’t like reading so they just don’t bother looking at written media.
if i can tell you a few things about producing furry media, smut or otherwise it’s that it’s a thankless unfulfilling SOUL CRUSHING experience that will probably have you feeling inadequate insignificant and overall depressed the entire time.
so all in all, unless your stories are important to you and you feel that the world needs to have access to them: RUN... RUN WHILE YOU CAN LITTLE POTATO! or this fandom will chew you up and spit out a sad grumpy alcoholic douchebag... like me.
anywho I’m pretty sure amongst the furs here you’ll get all the advice/tips you could ever need to start your decent further down to creative hell so don’t be afraid to ask folks stuff.
PS. Beware of making smut related topics on the normal boards, the fire dog loves picking on new furs that still don’t know stuff. there is a hidden board we use for that, inquire at your nearest firedog admin guy for access to it.
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oh hey, he beat me to it!
seriously tho: i believe smut is what keeps the fandom alive. everyone that’s ever submitted any kind of furry media to the internet can tell you the mass appeal is in smut and this gives people a good platform to start from.
before that nihilistic hyena accuses me of talking out my ass again: i've been drawing smut for a living for a quite a few years now and i've seen some shit. for instance if you want to do clean art you have to be at a certain skill level or you simply don’t attract any attention. Heather Burton and Alector fencer have both reached a point where their art is so appealing that they hardly ever make smut anymore.
and if that’s not bad enough there is the R34 thing too \OwO/ drawing your own characters doesn’t get you noticed as much as drawing existing popular characters eventho every dingus with a pencil can draw a fucking renamon or porkyman.
Originality, Creativity, skill or hard work does not translate into success. It all hinges on the judgmental and fickle hearts of people who don’t care.
the same applies to stories but with stories you have an additional handicap because most of these people don’t like reading so they just don’t bother looking at written media.
if i can tell you a few things about producing furry media, smut or otherwise it’s that it’s a thankless unfulfilling SOUL CRUSHING experience that will probably have you feeling inadequate insignificant and overall depressed the entire time.
so all in all, unless your stories are important to you and you feel that the world needs to have access to them: RUN... RUN WHILE YOU CAN LITTLE POTATO! or this fandom will chew you up and spit out a sad grumpy alcoholic douchebag... like me.
anywho I’m pretty sure amongst the furs here you’ll get all the advice/tips you could ever need to start your decent further down to creative hell so don’t be afraid to ask folks stuff.
PS. Beware of making smut related topics on the normal boards, the fire dog loves picking on new furs that still don’t know stuff. there is a hidden board we use for that, inquire at your nearest firedog admin guy for access to it.
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oh hey, he beat me to it!
Duck face? i thought they were all just making fart noises when posing for pictures...
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Re: What're your views on furry smut?
Not my first rodeo so I know better than to post smut outside of the relevant forums, not even going to post links either. If someone manages to find it, good for you, have a cookie.
Also I'm not planning on doing it for a living, for me being creative is a stress reliever, I actually don't mind if people do or don't read what I write. I started doing it expecting not to get any views so the fact anyone actually enjoys my writing was a pleasant surprise. I'm more just curious how similar the SA furry scene is to other countries. Might just be my area but furry is not a widely known thing, if someone does know what a furry is, it's simply because of the "F$%^ing furry" memes on 9gag.
Also I'm not planning on doing it for a living, for me being creative is a stress reliever, I actually don't mind if people do or don't read what I write. I started doing it expecting not to get any views so the fact anyone actually enjoys my writing was a pleasant surprise. I'm more just curious how similar the SA furry scene is to other countries. Might just be my area but furry is not a widely known thing, if someone does know what a furry is, it's simply because of the "F$%^ing furry" memes on 9gag.
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I'm usually indifferent to smut, but there is one thing that seriously pisses me off every time I see it, and that's when people don't bother to label their smut as adult submissions.
Just like Animew said, smut will ALWAYS outperform SFW content, no matter how well it's written, and that means that, every time some jerkwad uploads an adult submission onto SoFurry (arguably the best place for furry writing) without labeling it as such, it will push somebody else's non-smut submission out of the popular list. For many clean writers, SoFurry's SFW mode is the only way to be seen, and when some guy gets the top spot just because his story revolves around fetishistic sex, it's just completely and totally unfair, especially when you consider that his submission wouldn't even have made no.12 in NSFW mode.
What I'm saying is, let smut compete with smut.
Wow that turned into a little bit of a rant. :/
Just like Animew said, smut will ALWAYS outperform SFW content, no matter how well it's written, and that means that, every time some jerkwad uploads an adult submission onto SoFurry (arguably the best place for furry writing) without labeling it as such, it will push somebody else's non-smut submission out of the popular list. For many clean writers, SoFurry's SFW mode is the only way to be seen, and when some guy gets the top spot just because his story revolves around fetishistic sex, it's just completely and totally unfair, especially when you consider that his submission wouldn't even have made no.12 in NSFW mode.
What I'm saying is, let smut compete with smut.
Wow that turned into a little bit of a rant. :/
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Re: What're your views on furry smut?
It depends
There is this zone where there is this uncanny valley of sleez.
It just goes to far you know.
I have flexible morals but some pictures make me scared of the people who would draw and like them.
There is this zone where there is this uncanny valley of sleez.
It just goes to far you know.
I have flexible morals but some pictures make me scared of the people who would draw and like them.
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this one time i was commissioned to draw a fox getting blown up via a stick of dynamite up her vagina *Hannibal Lecter noises!*Splicer-Fox wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:12 am I have flexible morals but some pictures make me scared of the people who would draw and like them.
yea thats how it starts. then once you get a few fans you want to please them and you start getting more and more fans till you don’t even know all their names while somehow trying to produce content that they would like and before long you find yourself slutting out your creativity to the wants of your fanbase and all for the attentions of strangers! \OwO/ its enough to drive a man insane!TheRealInja wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:15 pm I'm not planning on doing it for a living, for me being creative is a stress reliever, I actually don't mind if people do or don't read what I write. I started doing it expecting not to get any views so the fact anyone actually enjoys my writing was a pleasant surprise.
lol, i'm actually just messing around. its not all that bad but you should try not to get caught up in the attention. I’ve seen some great artists of both words and pictures getting chewed up by the internet before and... wait hold up...
TheRealInja wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:30 am writing is something I've always wanted to do as a career, be the next Tolkien or something
so which is it?
most people just see furries as sexual deviants no matter what country you are in... we get lumped into the category of pedos, cartoon sexuals and let’s not forget animal fuckers... mostly because of people like me.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ but that’s stereotypes for you, why not focus on what YOU want from the fandom and what being furry means to YOU?
Duck face? i thought they were all just making fart noises when posing for pictures...
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To each his own. I'd be lying if I said I don't appreciate it from time to time, but my tastes tend to linger around the... shallower, and more 'vanilla' side of it all. There is some weird stuff lurking deeper down. My opinion thereof, to be frank, is that it is unusual at best and sickening at worst. But that is merely my own opinion. What you look at or read in the privacy of your own home is your own business; but you can only expect backlash if you make it public or push it in some form onto another person.
One thing is apparent, though: you'd be very, very hard-pressed to find a Tolkien, Asimov, Clarke or Dickens among furry smut writers. The vast majority of the writing would give a respectable high school English teacher a hernia. People generally don't read it for artistic or imaginative value (at least in the abstract sense of the word); they do it to get off.
One thing is apparent, though: you'd be very, very hard-pressed to find a Tolkien, Asimov, Clarke or Dickens among furry smut writers. The vast majority of the writing would give a respectable high school English teacher a hernia. People generally don't read it for artistic or imaginative value (at least in the abstract sense of the word); they do it to get off.
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All of the points that I would have made have already been made so I'll leave that out and just ask the question that I want to ask...
...what 'creativity' is there in writing that? Surely not the deep, well thought out characters or their development. Or the thought provoking plot (well not the story kind of plot anyway. <_<) and their twists.
No judgement, just an honest question.
...what 'creativity' is there in writing that? Surely not the deep, well thought out characters or their development. Or the thought provoking plot (well not the story kind of plot anyway. <_<) and their twists.
No judgement, just an honest question.
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In my opinion, when you're busy fapping, you don't want to get too invested in the characters, or in the story. Some stories I've read try to get you invested, and it kind of feels like "please just get to the action already"
That's not to say it lacks creativity. There's a looot of smut out there, they can't just be copies of each other. Even if the main act is just two people having sex, people expect a bit more than, well, the old "plumber working for a girl who can't afford it" story, for example.
That's not to say it lacks creativity. There's a looot of smut out there, they can't just be copies of each other. Even if the main act is just two people having sex, people expect a bit more than, well, the old "plumber working for a girl who can't afford it" story, for example.
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So basically the 'creativity' comes from the different styles you make them do it in? And just how you can get them to do it?
Not... a lot of creativity there, in my opinion.
There are two reasons people write smut; one, the most frequent, is that it gets them attention. As Contrast mentioned, more people actually read smut than the 'clean' vanilla stories and these people love the attention it brings. (Money too if you're publishing books as people buy them just for the erotica.)
The second is because you yourself enjoy making those scenes. That kind of enjoy, yes.
Neither of these, I'd classify as being 'creative'. But perhaps that's just me.
Not... a lot of creativity there, in my opinion.
There are two reasons people write smut; one, the most frequent, is that it gets them attention. As Contrast mentioned, more people actually read smut than the 'clean' vanilla stories and these people love the attention it brings. (Money too if you're publishing books as people buy them just for the erotica.)
The second is because you yourself enjoy making those scenes. That kind of enjoy, yes.
Neither of these, I'd classify as being 'creative'. But perhaps that's just me.
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Your argument is kind of invalid. Using reason as a measurement of result.
I mean, the two reasons you listed (because other people want to read it, and because you yourself wanted to write it) is kind of the two main reasons for any writing... You're not going to write something you don't enjoy, unless you're doing it for other people, regardless of the content
Also, if you look at Kyell Gold, for example, some of his novels are labeled as "erotica", even though it only has like 2 sex scenes throughout the book... It's not all black and white you know
I've read some smut stories on SoFurry that actually try to build a world, with its own laws on magic, which I really appreciate, before getting to the smut... I know, I said "please just get to the action already", but if you're at paragraph 2 and it's already like "oh wow you're so big", you're doing if wrong. But some stories can build a world in just a few paragraphs... Yeah, it's no Middle Earth, but still, saying that it has no creativity simply isn't true
I mean, the two reasons you listed (because other people want to read it, and because you yourself wanted to write it) is kind of the two main reasons for any writing... You're not going to write something you don't enjoy, unless you're doing it for other people, regardless of the content
Also, if you look at Kyell Gold, for example, some of his novels are labeled as "erotica", even though it only has like 2 sex scenes throughout the book... It's not all black and white you know
I've read some smut stories on SoFurry that actually try to build a world, with its own laws on magic, which I really appreciate, before getting to the smut... I know, I said "please just get to the action already", but if you're at paragraph 2 and it's already like "oh wow you're so big", you're doing if wrong. But some stories can build a world in just a few paragraphs... Yeah, it's no Middle Earth, but still, saying that it has no creativity simply isn't true
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Re: What're your views on furry smut?
Morning furs, I discussed some of this with you in private on Telegram on a one-on-one basis. This is an expansion of what I said there to some of you.
My view is that yiff is an essential part of the fandom, and unfortunately we have a ways to go before the stigmas and other labels attached thereto are finally removed. Not just here, its applicable in regular pr0n too.
Homo Sapiens is a creative creature, and that, by the power of his mind, extends to all aspects of his life, even sex. As I recently learnt, even dolphins engage in some pretty weird things to keep their itches scratched.
Every single one of us, myself included, has a fantasy, and things that make us go into arousal. As open minded as I am, I think its safe to say that yiff is good, as long as it's not illegal, and is kept under the necessary age limits as some of us are parents and its too easy to forget that its not like regular pr0n and we forget to hide it away from little Johnny.
It is an expression of the creative side. We're all creatives and that's why we're in this fandom together as one of the reasons. I have no issue with us extending this creativity to our sexual lives. In fact I think its quite novel in that we get to create a scene, in a story or a piece of art, depicting our fantasies and the satisfaction that comes from telling that fantasy story. That is exactly what EL James did with her stories, except it became iconic and everyone got interested in it and now everyone is trying BDSM. (I am sure the adult shops are smiling all the way to the bank)
It is indeed true that many of the nice things I have picked up in my box of tricks for the bedroom come straight from furry yiff and I am loved for that, because it means vanilla is not on the menu. Vanilla gets boring quickly and so many of us fall into that groove, and it puts strain on our relationships.
My one contentious issue is that, because we're probably more open about this than we like to admit, it becomes an easy target for the mainstream media. My opinion on the media, in its current form is that it is flawed, totally driven by greed and click-bait and the blatant false reporting to make a dollar. That is one of the reasons why I believe we as a fandom need our own media, one that tells the truth and doesn't distort or deliver "well cooked moose droppings"
My view is that yiff is an essential part of the fandom, and unfortunately we have a ways to go before the stigmas and other labels attached thereto are finally removed. Not just here, its applicable in regular pr0n too.
Homo Sapiens is a creative creature, and that, by the power of his mind, extends to all aspects of his life, even sex. As I recently learnt, even dolphins engage in some pretty weird things to keep their itches scratched.
Every single one of us, myself included, has a fantasy, and things that make us go into arousal. As open minded as I am, I think its safe to say that yiff is good, as long as it's not illegal, and is kept under the necessary age limits as some of us are parents and its too easy to forget that its not like regular pr0n and we forget to hide it away from little Johnny.
It is an expression of the creative side. We're all creatives and that's why we're in this fandom together as one of the reasons. I have no issue with us extending this creativity to our sexual lives. In fact I think its quite novel in that we get to create a scene, in a story or a piece of art, depicting our fantasies and the satisfaction that comes from telling that fantasy story. That is exactly what EL James did with her stories, except it became iconic and everyone got interested in it and now everyone is trying BDSM. (I am sure the adult shops are smiling all the way to the bank)
It is indeed true that many of the nice things I have picked up in my box of tricks for the bedroom come straight from furry yiff and I am loved for that, because it means vanilla is not on the menu. Vanilla gets boring quickly and so many of us fall into that groove, and it puts strain on our relationships.
My one contentious issue is that, because we're probably more open about this than we like to admit, it becomes an easy target for the mainstream media. My opinion on the media, in its current form is that it is flawed, totally driven by greed and click-bait and the blatant false reporting to make a dollar. That is one of the reasons why I believe we as a fandom need our own media, one that tells the truth and doesn't distort or deliver "well cooked moose droppings"
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Don't care, erotica is a form of art that's been around since at least Pompeii. Some of it is hot as hell, most of it is terrible, art and fetish wise. To each their own.
The true problem with furry smut is the socially inept individuals in the fandom:
1. shoving their heavily fetish centric drawings in everyone's face.
2. making a bigger deal out of it than it actually is.
3. denying that it exists.
4. thinking it's normal to show pictures of animal people licking each other's paws to a person outside the fandom.
5. inability to joke about it when asked in a jokingly manner.
6. overanalysing and technically talking about things basically considered porn.
The true problem with furry smut is the socially inept individuals in the fandom:
1. shoving their heavily fetish centric drawings in everyone's face.
2. making a bigger deal out of it than it actually is.
3. denying that it exists.
4. thinking it's normal to show pictures of animal people licking each other's paws to a person outside the fandom.
5. inability to joke about it when asked in a jokingly manner.
6. overanalysing and technically talking about things basically considered porn.
Re: What're your views on furry smut?
I wonder whether the whole "good story vs. sexy" is the reason why erotic fanfics are as successful as they are? The story is already there, you're just adding the kinky stuff to an existing context, so you don't need to care about character development, plot consistency, etc. 50 Shades did originally start as a Twilight erotica fanfic.
Re: What're your views on furry smut?
The first step is the elimination of the stigma attached to regular smut. Once that's broken down.. then the furry yiff stigmas will probably also go.
On point number 1- there's even artists that do this. One that particularly comes to mind goes by the name of Senshion. Every single time, he draws something, we have to see his "Sonic with a big gun in tights and shooting" fetish.
On point number 2- That's unfortunate yes
On point number 3- Denial is pretty much the way of those who feel uncomfortable about it all, not just yiff. These are the same people typically who had a shitty upbringing like I did.
On point number 4- Until furry becomes a bit more accepted and known, its going to still be that awkward and somewhat uncertain fur that does this.
On point number 5- I had to learn this the hard way, and now, I am comfortable
On point number 6- I recently had occasion to do a lot of research into porn, why it exists, and historical perspectives. I also had the fortunate opportunity to talk to some of those people who ran with real porno magazines years ago, and the thesis that one of them did on the subject. My assertion remains that its a necessary part of being human, or more accurately, an intelligent creature. Its been around for aeons and will never die out. I do think it gets a bad rap for nothing sometimes and its often a target of the religions, same applies to ethanol molecules apparently.
On point number 1- there's even artists that do this. One that particularly comes to mind goes by the name of Senshion. Every single time, he draws something, we have to see his "Sonic with a big gun in tights and shooting" fetish.
On point number 2- That's unfortunate yes
On point number 3- Denial is pretty much the way of those who feel uncomfortable about it all, not just yiff. These are the same people typically who had a shitty upbringing like I did.
On point number 4- Until furry becomes a bit more accepted and known, its going to still be that awkward and somewhat uncertain fur that does this.
On point number 5- I had to learn this the hard way, and now, I am comfortable
On point number 6- I recently had occasion to do a lot of research into porn, why it exists, and historical perspectives. I also had the fortunate opportunity to talk to some of those people who ran with real porno magazines years ago, and the thesis that one of them did on the subject. My assertion remains that its a necessary part of being human, or more accurately, an intelligent creature. Its been around for aeons and will never die out. I do think it gets a bad rap for nothing sometimes and its often a target of the religions, same applies to ethanol molecules apparently.
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It is also well documented that intelligent creatures enjoy knowingly intoxicating themselves, for example elephants get drunk on marula fruit. But unlike humans, I don't think you see some elephants self-righteously condemning those who enjoy the fruits.
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That's cause they haven't got religion or government meddling in their lives
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Understands but then:
lol I hope this is meant to be satire because of point 6 (overanalysing)ArtyLoop wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2017 1:17 pm On point number 6- I recently had occasion to do a lot of research into porn, why it exists, and historical perspectives. I also had the fortunate opportunity to talk to some of those people who ran with real porno magazines years ago, and the thesis that one of them did on the subject. My assertion remains that its a necessary part of being human, or more accurately, an intelligent creature. Its been around for aeons and will never die out. I do think it gets a bad rap for nothing sometimes and its often a target of the religions, same applies to ethanol molecules apparently.
Agrees. Though I'm not anti establishment and don't see the need to lower the bar since it's somewhere in the Mariana Trench already.
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Nah Franky, I did the research, cause I was intrigued. It wasn't my plan but it happened and I am better for it. Its actually not anything to do with point 6
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Re: What're your views on furry smut?
Last edited by Rakuen Growlithe on Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:04 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Reason: Added warning
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Re: What're your views on furry smut?
An excellent quote:
A good deal of education is necessary before one realises that the wildest sensual notion of which he or she can conceive is merely a familiar part of the wild notions conceived by humans, male and female, throughout history. To publicise it no more signifies any sort of liberation or revolution in the sexual mores of the moment than would be the declamation of the multitude of ways one may, in imagination, quench his or her physical thirst. – G Gordon
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Re: What're your views on furry smut?
NSFW warning for the graphics in the addendum?
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Yes apologies... forgot about that. Hmm cannot edit my post..
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Re: What're your views on furry smut?
Added a warning to the post. Though if someone's going to read through a thesis on porn to get there then they must know what they're getting into. In any case, educational and academic resources are exceptions to normal content restrictions.
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Re: What're your views on furry smut?
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Re: What're your views on furry smut?
Here is my personal view of the situation.
Furry smut, or rather, yiff, definitely qualifies as both erotic and artistic. Since however, there is a significant investment of effort and time to produce such art, I do think that its value as art is unquestionable. Secondary to that is the consumption thereof, i.e. the potential of such art to arouse people. But then again, how different is this to the images we read about in books that deal with sexual fantasy in women? It's not.
As controversial as this might seem, I think it should be afforded the same rights as all other artistic endeavor and given a fair chance. Of course we need to be mindful of minors (as is the case with real porn) but I think overall we're at the point where this should become more mainstream.
Furry smut, or rather, yiff, definitely qualifies as both erotic and artistic. Since however, there is a significant investment of effort and time to produce such art, I do think that its value as art is unquestionable. Secondary to that is the consumption thereof, i.e. the potential of such art to arouse people. But then again, how different is this to the images we read about in books that deal with sexual fantasy in women? It's not.
As controversial as this might seem, I think it should be afforded the same rights as all other artistic endeavor and given a fair chance. Of course we need to be mindful of minors (as is the case with real porn) but I think overall we're at the point where this should become more mainstream.
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