A Poster in Dave's room

[Sev]

Wow, that was truly a husky level intention span. You changed topics mid sentence.

Also, I think that it's too small to be a wallpaper.

[Leeward]

I don't follow, what curb?

As with many expressions, it stems from an equestrian term. By curb I mean this thing:

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Notice that the upper attachment causes it to be pulled back, whereas the lower attachment causes it to be rotated. Since the two are joined, and the lower is longer than the upper, no matter how much you pull on the reins, the curb will never be pulled. Unless you pull straight up instead of backwards, but that is very poor form. Also a curb should, when pulled, make a small chain or strap passing under the muzzle to tighten, but notice that the only strap that passes under the muzzle is attached to the upper part of the "bit" (which isn't actually a bit because it's not going through the mouth, defeating the purpose of even having a curb in the first place), which makes it effectively useless. Furthermore, the nose straps are doing absolutely nothing but holding the bridle on with pure gravity, and since there is no strap passing behind its head, the raptor could simply shake the bridle off.

TL;DR: the bridle is so poorly designed that there may as well not be one at all.

[Raven Song]

Now if you want to get proper contact off of that raptor, I'd suggest a happy mouth hanging cheek snaffle. Due to the raptors mouth design they have a high pallet, curbs, pelhams and gag's will cause a fair amount of pressure put on the remainder of the face, and would also cause a fair amount of action into the upper pallet, and most likely heavy action on the bars of the mouth (the sides of the lower jaw).
A hanging cheek snaffle offers a small amount of leverage (so a little bit of pressure on the poll area), and if it's got a French link in the middle all pressure is put rather on the tongue which is made softer by the happy mouth material.

You'll get a much more engaged dinosaur this way, and he'll finally start working on his uphill movement and engaging his hind quarters...

Remember kids, using your hands isn't right. For every ounce of pressure you put on the reins, you need equal amounts in the legs. that's how to get a classical movement and carried dinosaur.

Also Leeward, that isn't even working as a curb anymore It doesn't attach to the poll.. it's basically just a piece of metal going through the mouth

[Leeward]

Unless my eyes are deceiving me, there's nothing going through the mouth. In fact there shouldn't be, because raptors have teeth along the entirety of the jaw, unlike a horse which has a gap where the bit can go. In that case, I would recommend a mechanical hackamore, or some other type of shanked bitless bridle.

[Galahad]

Everyone is talking about riding raptors as a mount, and the knowledge they appear to possess is startling.

I... think I am just going to goooo... *quietly sneaks out*

[Raven Song]

Ooh! how's about a bosal! That's one of the friendliest "bits", even though it's a bitless and the only nice thing to come out of western tack

also Azure... come here pretty boy

[Cape_F0X]

Found a new ride. It has no bondage gear and makes less puns.

[Raven Song]

I dunno... I mean are you sure you want to force these precious beauties into living in captivity... I remember a time when motorcycles ran free amongst the plains...

[Adagio]

HAHAHAHAHAHA! Hilarious you guys!!!!!

[Sev]

I really couldn't follow that. Evidently, I need to go horse riding again.

Also I had never heard of a curb, because I learnt a diagram similar to the below which did not mention one.

[Leeward]

Yeah curbs are unnecessary in most scenarios. Most riders learn with a simple snaffle.

[Galahad]

Excellent research, everyone. Your knowledge of the equipment pertaining to steeds - and by steeds I mean horses; yes, only horses! - appears to be unparalleled on this forum! As you may deduce, however, members of the dromaeosaurid family (that is to say, 'raptors') have never before been used as mounts nor have they been ridden. ;D Hence, I am afraid to say that no amount of contemporary knowledge or equipment could ever assist you in subjecting me to such ... ... ... uses.

What a shame, ladies and gentlemen. Tally ho! *Happily trots out of thread with tail swaying*

[Sev]

Yeah curbs are unnecessary in most scenarios. Most riders learn with a simple snaffle.

In what kind of scenarios would they be necessary?
Because, in both jumping and trail riding, I don't recall having used such a thing.

Also, this brings back memories - I can practically smell the horse breath.

[Leeward]

Higher levels of dressage, and western style riding like three barrel racing and such. "Necessary" is a strong weird though, it's more in common use than really needed.

[Raven Song]

A curb bit is used in conjunction with a snaffle bit on a double bridle

or as Leeward mentioned, in western riding.

In a curb bit the longer the shank, or arm, the more pressure is placed on the poll, the point behind the ears. The "necessary" was believed, way back when, to be for higher level movement where more contact and lighter touch was needed. Only experienced hands would be allowed near such devices as the damage they can cause... well I don't want to get into it, I think I may even once have made a thread about it... If I ever get my hands on Anky though...

When I was a kid I used to play games with the children of our pastor. We all had dinosaur steeds. We even came up with tack for them. We had saddles similar to that of western saddles (Having a cinch girth and a second girth strap located further back on the saddle) a breast plate, and a bitless bridle much like the ones the native americans rode in

Now... in theory one could place this upon the lower jaw of the dinosaur, between two teeth... If necessary we could remove a pair of teeth, I mean, it's all for the sake of progress...

[Badge]

You all are terrifying people.

[Galahad]

I agree, Badge.

[Sev]

Only experienced hands would be allowed near such devices as the damage they can cause... well I don't want to get into it, I think I may even once have made a thread about it... If I ever get my hands on Anky though...

With great power comes great responsibility:

[Raven Song]

"That's not what it's supposed to do"

Story of my life...

[Cape_F0X]

Not that Horses and bikes aren't interesting, but... Battle Ostrich!

[Galahad]

Cape, you truly seem to be enjoying this...

[Sev]

Everyone needs a hobby, especially if they're studying mechanical engineering.

[Raven Song]

It's good to see mechanical engineering students broadening their horizons... I here it's a tough field once you leave school, in fifty years time...

[Cape_F0X]

Unlike you Azure, Fly-boy wants to go into battle and kick ass. Literally! Watch out for his kick.

And he is quiet. He can use his wings to dust off things.
The evolution is quite clear.

[Adagio]

Aaaaaaaamd I think Contrast is having s panic attack somewhere...

Oh yeah, and i agree!!!! 7de Laan does suck

Thank you, Punk-Fox! Finally! Someone who shares my dislike of petty, piddling domestic trivialities!
Every time I say something bad about 7de Laan here, practically the entire Karoo shows up riding their ostriches and wielding pitchforks to enforce mob justice!

[Sev]

Unlike you Azure, Fly-boy wants to go into battle and kick ass. Literally! Watch out for his kick.

I can attest to that.
I was once stampeded by ostriches.
My mother was absolutely freaking out, and I just made sure to curl up into the tightest ball ever.

[Galahad]

"Like other dromaeosaurids, Utahraptor had large curved claws on their second toes. One claw specimen is preserved at 22 centimetres (8.7 in) in length and is thought to reach 24 centimetres (9.4 in) restored.

The largest described U. ostrommaysorum specimens are estimated to have reached up to 7 m (23 ft) long and somewhat less than 500 kg (1,100 lb) in weight, comparable to a polar bear in size." - Wikipedia, 'Utahraptor' (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utahraptor)

"Ostriches usually weigh from 63 to 145 kilograms (139–320 lb), or as much as two adult humans.
[...] At sexual maturity (two to four years), male ostriches can be from 2.1 to 2.8 m (6 ft 11 in to 9 ft 2 in) in height, while female ostriches range from 1.7 to 2.0 m (5 ft 7 in to 6 ft 7 in) tall." - Wikipedia, 'Ostrich' (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostrich)

Right. You decide for yourself which you would prefer not to be attacked by. ;P

[Leeward]

A key difference being, raptors are (were) not prey animals, and therefore would not have had a stampeding instinct.

[I-O]

Not that Horses and bikes aren't interesting, but... Battle Ostrich!

How would you even steer that thing?? Do you use the neck or...?

[Raven Song]

Aaaaaaaamd I think Contrast is having s panic attack somewhere...

Oh yeah, and i agree!!!! 7de Laan does suck

Thank you, Punk-Fox! Finally! Someone who shares my dislike of petty, piddling domestic trivialities!
Every time I say something bad about 7de Laan here, practically the entire Karoo shows up riding their ostriches and wielding pitchforks to enforce mob justice!

ERMAGERD!!!!!!! MAH OLD NAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!