Ravensong wrote:Several words come to mind each time I read a post made by you Tetsudra...
Go ahead and say them - I'm probably the one person in the world that cares about those opinions the least.
Ravensong wrote:Build a bridge, get off your high horse and try seeing things from a different perspective for once in your narrow minded life.
It's hugely ironic. Ask Valerion if you don't believe me. Him and I got into an argument, precisely because I've tried seeing things from other people's points of view. Basically the argument was that maybe the native people in SA don't want the same gadgets and lifestyle that us "imperialist" immigrants do. Just by stating that maybe my way is not the right way, it got Valerion all upset.
So I'm already doing what you suggest, and guess what, other furs give me grief for it. At this point I'm really just ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ about everything.
BTW, The fact that it took your company 18 months to plan an event doesn't mean all events take 18 months. My company hosts an event every year that takes roughly 3 months to plan. I've seen trance parties thrown together in less time. It all comes down to how organized and efficient you are.
Helios_phi wrote:Everybody's budget can't be worked out. We all come from different places. Travel expenses will all be different. People's expenses are all different. All we can do is work out a minimum per person.
I'm really sorry, but that just rings like a massive cop-out to me. Nobody asked you to work out all of our own individual budgets - that's up to the individuals. The cost of attending your event is one of the cost components, and people need to know what that cost component is up-front, so they can plan.
Helios_phi wrote:So we just need to work out how many furs would be attending so you can figure out how much to charge.
Again with the chicken-and-egg thing. You won't get commitments until you put a price on the table. Even if you just say that's the maximum price, and will decrease if more furs sign on.
Helios_phi wrote:I see a lot of finger pointing and bitching from you, but no actual help.
No offers to pitch in and get your hands dirty.
@Ivic, do me a favor and show Helios the IRC log where I info-dumped all the planning stuff on you? Then show him the part where I asked you who was going to be planning this thing, and none of the names mentioned were mine?
@Helios Pointing out serious flaws in your planning does not count as bitching. If anything, it's free work on my part, since Ivic never planned on making me a part of the group that was going to organize this thing.
Helios_phi wrote:When even Ravensong, who has the biggest heart in the world, can find some choice words for you, I can't imagine what others must think of you.
I don't need to imagine what others think of me - I know, and I'm pretty sure it's good, given all the opportunities that keep opening up for me. That's the main difference - I operate in a world where it's important to get shit done. Most people here seem more concerned with being happy than ambitious, which is probably why I keep rubbing people up the wrong way.
The tl;dr here is that I don't really care what you think of me as a person, and trying to hit me on that level isn't gonna shame me into changing anything. All I've done so far for this convention is tried to be the voice of reason, to point out that certain things need to happen in a certain order if anyone's gonna attend, and I've done my best to point out the gaping holes in the logic to date. I've done that without insulting anyone, or insinuating that I had "choice words" for anyone, or implying that I think anyone is incompetent or unfit for the job. I've played the ball, not the man, and now this is the thanks I get.
But then again, people will read whatever the hell they want to read, no matter how many times you clarify things, so there's not much I can do there tbh.