MontgomerySeven wrote:In Quake, you have to consider where you enemy is likely to go and what equipment he is likely to have. You have to consider the respawn times and positions of weapons, armor, and health. It's about getting the terrain advantage, and about denying your opponent that advantage - that requires near perfect map knowledge. It's about knowing when to play it safe, and when to go for that extra frag.
Everything you just said, except for armor/ health and weapon spawns, applies to CoD. CoD has far more complex maps: not only in terms of design, but in terms of actual mechanics such as mounting/ climbing, penetration/ cover, line of sight and sound.
There are specific places in every map where you have to learn that if you throw a grenade at the exact spot, with the right timing, it will always hit someone who is running from the enemy spawn. There are also various explosives, including cars, that can be detonated in different ways.
You have to keep in mind what weapons the enemy is using. If they're using submachine guns instead of assault rifles, it's going to change the way they play and the routes they take, and how they move. Every gun type changes your gameplay drastically. Even shotguns at competitive levels are used very differently to submachine guns, even though they fill the same close range roll.
Quake's mechanics are obvious and simple. In CoD, there are obvious mechanics, like weapon accuracy and recoil, but then there are more subtle ones too, like weapon range (short-ranged weapons do 1/4 damage at long range), penetration, and reload times. Then there are grenade mechanics. Do you have enough time to pull the pin and throw before your enemy charges you? What will they do? How far can you bounce it? Throw a grenade without cooking it, as a distraction?
Not to mention you have to co-ordinate with your team, and come up with sound strategies while responding to the enemy team's strategy.
Competitive Quake is usually just played 1v1.
MontgomerySeven wrote:What's more, Q3 rewards skillful movement and aiming more than any other game; weapons like the railgun are extremely high risk high reward.
Rubbish. Do you even think this through? Railguns are just as accurate when hip-fired and moving, and their zoom is instantaneous. Furthermore, their projectile is much larger than a sniper rifle round, and they are typically used at much shorter range than in CoD because of the map size, meaning you're firing at a larger target. Not to mention, a person sprinting in CoD, or sprinting and then jumping around a corner, is moving faster than a player running in Quake. Quake doesn't even have sprint.
MontgomerySeven wrote:
You're talking to someone who has spent the last six years playing competitively. Have you ever participated in a *formal* competitive event, Ryall?
Firstly, anyone can watch pro players practicing and competing in Quake and draw rational comments about it. You've clearly watched competitive Quake games - as have I - but you either haven't watched or played competitive CoD, or you haven't given it much thought.
I was a close personal friend of D3tox (I say was because he passed away recently), and he and his clan, BFB, won the Call of Duty 4 DGL 2011 championships. I played against him frequently at LANs, and watched him play at Rage when he won in 2011. Have you in your 6 years ever played in the finals of a DGL championship?
Secondly, don't be so arrogant to assume you're this hot-shot competitive gamer who knows more than me just because you've played six years of Battlefield in a clan. You don't even know what I have done. I was ranked 97 in the world at Supreme Commander, when I played it in 2007. To get to that spot, I won some of the lower bracket tournaments hosted by Gas Powered Games. In 2010, I played against the second best SupCom2 player at the time in a tournament hosted by GameReplays.org (which I was a staff writer for). The match was in the preliminary rounds, and was live-streamed to 300 people (because of who I was playing against). I nearly beat him, and I should have, but when I had crippled him I went onto the defense instead of finishing him off, because I overestimated him, which ultimately resulted in a narrow victory on his part. I was also top 10 Diamond League for 8 Starcraft II seasons - every season I played. I would have played in the DGL tournaments, but they always took place close to tests and exams, and university took priority. I sparred regularily with my friend Hellshound, who was #1 in the world at Supreme Commander 1 and 2 (he went on to win all the GameReplay.org tournaments), and who went to Rage and played in the Starcraft 2 DGL final in 2012.
So yeah, I know about competitive gaming.
Christ you waste my time with your stupid comments, M7. I was joking when I called the others nincompoops...
