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Fandom escapism & furries

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This is a tricky idea. So, after much thought, I decided to place it under "The World Out There".

I have a problem with fandoms (including furries and bronies - neither are above reproach!) Fandoms create safe spaces, which is a bad thing.

Let me explain.

Fandoms create a rational escape from the empirical world, where individuals live in folie de grandeur: fantasy worlds. Geeks (especially) retract from the world to live in their own safe spaces where they are loved and accepted for who they are. Because these isolating individuals are not shaped by trails and errors in exposure with opposing- and hostile individuals they fail to mature psychologically, becoming an eventual burden to everyone around them.

I see this problem in various Furry Telegram groups: oversensitive, undersensitive, neurotic, or careless behaviour.

Coincidentally, a similar problem is in the gay community (which I, as a homosexual, avoid). "Rejoice and love yourself, today, 'coz baby you were born this way." The problem is that the entire persona is accepted, warts and all. Healthy psychology would motivate individuals to grow, mature, and become an incarnation of the Übermensch. But, since fans associate (sometimes to the point of exclusivity) with their associated safe spaces, individuals do not have the opportunity to grow in fandoms.

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Problem is we are all expected to be each other’s best friends but we are not.
I think this causes envy in people.

Other problem is, people come here because they are desperate.
I was here because I liked anthropomorphic foxes and wanted more, not to make friends.
Although it’s a good place to find friends I will admit.

(Too many Ideas creed and attitudes in one small space, and some might have the same bad ideas)
I would say: Stay for the art and the parties! Just spot the drama before it happens.

People who find they cannot integrate with normal society either see: one more chance to create a family, a new group of suckers to exploit or easy sex. (Although it’s a good place to find young available gays)
You guys won’t be able to avoid crazy people from doing crazy things if you can’t spot them.
My advice is to ignore people until they have proven themselves, or left because the Identity he/she set up for themselves is lost.

The SA furry fandom is ok.
We have been organising allot of parties here in Joburg despite drama.
Just let nature take its course and allow people to reveal themselves.

People like that don’t have self-control to keep a mask on for a year.
(But there are other ways to see, if you just look at the posts they write and count the amount of “I” “Me” “Them” “Not my” and the change in attitude from the first month onwards)
Also trolls are very good at tilting people in to taking off the online poker face.
If you feel the need to reply and insult a troll, instead of ignoring: that’s at least 3 red flags for me.
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SirFox wrote: Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:11 amThe problem is that the entire persona is accepted, warts and all. Healthy psychology would motivate individuals to grow, mature, and become an incarnation of the Übermensch. But, since fans associate (sometimes to the point of exclusivity) with their associated safe spaces, individuals do not have the opportunity to grow in fandoms.
Amen to that. Safe spaces tend to turn into echo chambers where everybody is accepted as they are to the extent that there is zero motivation/reason to better oneself. That's not healthy at all. The worst is that if you dare to tell someone they're being a dick/irrational/lazy/stupid, you get shat on for triggering the poor special snowflake.

As for exclusivity, I've seen this in the form of gatekeeping among communities that are supposedly all about inclusivity. A perfect example would be many LGBT+ communities, that openly reject bisexuals because "they're just gay but don't want to admit it", transgender people because "they're delusional and you shouldn't humour them", and asexuals because "they're just cishet freaks who don't like sex". It's not a competition to see who is the most queer or the most discriminated against, and you're doing the exact same thing you're lobbying against.
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Splicer-Fox wrote: Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:33 am

The SA furry fandom is ok.
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BWAAAHAHAHAHAHA! oh homosexual fox person, that's so funny. you know, the self hating furs have become such a cliche. cringing at all the purry murry exaggerations of character n quirk... yea i get it... it gets annoying \UwU/ but let people have their fun god damn it, you don't suddenly disappear from the real world when you join a fandom for fox sake. and in case you haven't noticed, fandom are just as full of assholes as the real world... case in point: here i am, telling you your opinion bites wind. Ow< the safe space is a lie bro, this is the interwebs.
Leeward wrote: Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:52 am The worst is that if you dare to tell someone they're being a dick/irrational/lazy/stupid, you get shat on for triggering the poor special snowflake.
UwU/ darlin that's hardly an aspect of the fandom, its just an aspect of our times... have a humungus movement of PC feminazzi and liberal heart bleeders and what do you get? sensationalist faggotary... sensationalist faggotory everywhare. even in MY fandom, even on MY interwebs.
Splicer-Fox wrote: Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:33 am If you feel the need to reply and insult a troll, instead of ignoring: that’s at least 3 red flags for me.
OR it just means they are not so rude as to ignore people. OwO/ at least you know where you stand with trollable people, all those emotionless sociopaths that just maintain the pokerface are the ones you should be worried about, instead of calling your mom fat, they trace your IP and feed you your own testicles down in their basements.
SirFox wrote: Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:11 am I see this problem in various Furry Telegram groups: oversensitive, undersensitive, neurotic, or careless behaviour.
UwU if you don't wana see clowns, don't go to the circus... baaaaaka. and if you like the circus but not clowns then go to the ones with no clowns, sheesh.
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Good morning, losers! Just kidding. Thank you for the above - you are awesome!

Seriously though. I am tired of whining bullshit. We go through tough times - recently I've been through some of the darkest times in my life (although my rant post doesn't quite tell it all). What I came to realise is that too many people complain, and too few actually live seeking reform.

Many people trash the political left for victimisation, but I have found victim-mentality on the right as well; Saturday morning I did God's work and convinced a whining American to watch Jordan Peterson. This specific individual has been complaining about his depression/lack of opportunity/etc. for years. He is, I hate to say, truly mediocre. He is 28 years old - need to find an occupation and grow the f up.

While it is comfortable (and easy!) to blame my homophobic family for their absolute and complete disregard, I have to look after myself - no-one else will.



I have a difficult career - and I struggle financially. Yesterday, I cried a bit and felt sorry for myself. But my best friend was there for me and loved me; that gave me hope to press on. "Compassion is a vice - if taken too far" according to Jordan Peterson. Everyone has issues - it is universal. But we should face them, and get over them - or at least try to.

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I would err on the side of caution with all these "evangelical" beliefs in people.
This guy is another in a long line of a whole bunch of them.. their stuff is religion in another guise.
L. Ron Hubbard pioneered it, its all Scientology, by different names. DeMartini has his own flavour of it, even Rhonda Byrne spun her own.
Now that mainstream religious beliefs are fading fast, it seems gullible people are finding postmodernist Scientology an acceptable new religion- Then again in a connected age it requires new tactics to con the same old idiots out of their money and to control them. And with YouTube you don't need to waste your ill gotten gains on church buildings and books, you can have it all.

That's my final words on religion, @Firedog, as a personal request can we please keep religious discussions off ZAfur?
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ArtyLoop wrote: Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:18 am That's my final words on religion, @Firedog, as a personal request can we please keep religious discussions off ZAfur?
I'll have to agree with Arty on this one cause I am not interested in religion nor do I think it's necessary to discuss it.

I just see religion as a way of earning money just for a person to preach about some heaven or better place when only a certain amount of people will be going. Understandably I know that the church needs money, but to say that it's going to a higher being how are you going to do that? EFT? Fight all you want stating that it's for the church but they also say it's for said higher being and I don't see giving money for a building of religion as compulsory.
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Freedom of speech. People can discuss whatever they want. They are not however free of consequences of said speech.
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Leeward wrote: Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:15 pm Freedom of speech. People can discuss whatever they want. They are not however free of consequences of said speech.
You're so right. (Not sarcastic btw)

Here's the thing though and I'm not trying to stir shit up or anything. Usually we get certain things that are said when it is the truth but then it gets censored by admins (Not the admins here. I don't have any beef with you.) and then we as people become sheep to follow blatant crap. So yes, we should discuss what we want but some things aren't needed to be spoken of or admins block the truth.

I'm done.
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I'm not banning religious discussions.
"If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind."
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On a more serious note:
Leeward wrote: Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:15 pm Freedom of speech. People can discuss whatever they want. They are not however free of consequences of said speech.
Yes and you can get yourself banned from a site just like that bakery refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple. Acting on expression, speech and so forth is a slippery slope in itself and those consequences can be worse. All that being said legislation on speech cannot exist because then it's enforced and not really freedom.
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We've had this discussion before. It's the staff's prerogative to ban certain topics for whatever reason. That said, the "taboo" topics are usually such for good reasons. For example, we should not discuss bestiality because this is a public platform which is by nature vulnerable to deliberate context exclusion (i.e. cherry-picking style slander), and furries get enough bad press already.
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SirFox wrote: Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:20 am recently I've been through some of the darkest times in my life (although my rant post doesn't quite tell it all).
SirFox wrote: Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:20 am I have a difficult career - and I struggle financially. Yesterday, I cried a bit and felt sorry for myself.
UwU/ i'm starting to get the feeling that you are in actual fact miffed at the fandom more because of the false advertising and you were hoping to use it as a support base because it seemed so inviting and friendly... but then it proved to be devoid of anything but fake smiles and candied wishes. i would like to reiterate my point that this is not exclusive to any fandom in particular or fandoms in general, its just what reality boils down to: "your life sucks and no one cares that it does."
noah-lausberg wrote: Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:24 pm I'll have to agree with Arty on this one cause I am not interested in religion nor do I think it's necessary to discuss it.
Owo having just said that you immediately start to discuss religion?
noah-lausberg wrote: Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:28 pm I'm not trying to stir shit up or anything.
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Rakuen Growlithe wrote: Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:57 pm I'm not banning religious discussions.
Owo i don't think that would even be possible since just like how there is porn of everything there is a religion of everything so by banning it you'll be banning everything.
besides:
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Leeward wrote: Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:01 am It's the staff's prerogative to ban certain topics for whatever reason.
well actually bestiality and pedophilia is a crime in the country where this website is being hosted... if it were, say: hosted in mexico or norway we could discuss bestiality to our hearts content but seeing as its not, the host would be criminally accountable if it were used to conspire a crime. UwU/ we would run into similar problems if we were to start discussing MURder rape and or any of the other fun stuff that's against the law see.
arguably cub and lolicon is not illegal there yet but it gets removed from Zafur... =w= i'm guessing that's mostly Valerion's doing tho.
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This thread is not for discussing discussing about religion. Please keep it on topic.
"If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind."
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Rakuen Growlithe wrote: Tue Jul 03, 2018 6:42 pm This thread is not for discussing discussing about religion. Please keep it on topic.
Okay then. SirFox I agree with you that fandoms are bad in some factors AND I also believe that we should improve each and not be all "Omg, I accept you for your piss play fetish even though most of us don't like it."

Instead if we did not accept, then furs who enjoy piss play get butt hurt and are such snowflakes that they are overly sensitive to comments that could improve themselves.

This fandom is exactly the cause of why many have left due to various reasons. I know cause I know of a few friends in various schools that I've been to and they all dislike it.
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Meh. There's a simple solution: stop taking it so damn seriously. We're all here to admire anthros, not hold hands and sing kumbaya. Stick to memes, funny animals videos and silly discussions, problem solved.
Rakuen Growlithe wrote: Tue Jul 03, 2018 6:42 pm This thread is not for discussing discussing about religion. Please keep it on topic.
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Leeward wrote: Wed Jul 04, 2018 2:47 pm Meh. There's a simple solution: stop taking it so damn seriously. We're all here to admire anthros, not hold hands and sing kumbaya. Stick to memes, funny animals videos and silly discussions, problem solve.
Sadly that's impossible for most fuckwads since they take most things literally. Fucking snowflakes...
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noah-lausberg wrote: Wed Jul 04, 2018 3:49 pm
Leeward wrote: Wed Jul 04, 2018 2:47 pm Meh. There's a simple solution: stop taking it so damn seriously. We're all here to admire anthros, not hold hands and sing kumbaya. Stick to memes, funny animals videos and silly discussions, problem solved.
Sadly that's impossible for most fuckwads since they take most things literally. Fucking snowflakes...
That was actually aimed at the more self-sufficient folks like you and me.

Leave the snowflakes be, they're not your problem; reality will falcon punch them in the face sooner or later.

You do you. Live and let live. Hakuna Matata. That sort of thing.
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i STILL don't see why any of this is directed at the furry fandom.
what you people are bitching about it just a social fad:
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that is NOT UwU/ and i'll repeat this till someone actually reads what i say NOT an aspect of the freaking furry fandom! <w< sheesh, you join a group of people who likes fluffy animal people and the next thing you know you are suddenly lumped into some political group? what is up with that?
noah-lausberg wrote: Tue Jul 03, 2018 7:58 pm piss play
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THAT BISEXUAL WOLF GUY IS KINK SHAMING! quick furies! grab your pitch fork and torch!

UwU on a serious note tho the cow speaks sense yo
Leeward wrote: Wed Jul 04, 2018 3:59 pm Live and let live. Hakuna Matata. That sort of thing.
other people's emotional maturity is really none of our business and just like there is a social fad that makes people overly defensive of antisocial behavior there is an equally annoying fad where people try to pass off rude and downright offensive meddling as "tough love" and or "help".

OwO/ now you see, the BIBLE has many appropriate expressions here: like you not being your brothers chicken. or how when the donkey bawks your eyes are full of splinters UwU/ they don't seem to translate well into english tho.
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I don't know what astounds me more...your accuracy or your repulsive grammar.

You did give me a wonderful laugh though. :lol:
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noah-lausberg wrote: Wed Jul 04, 2018 8:32 pm You did give me a wonderful laugh
UwU/ that's kinda what i'm here for.
noah-lausberg wrote: Wed Jul 04, 2018 8:32 pm repulsive grammar
repulsive!? NYAHAHA! geez i leave out 2 s-ez in more than 100 words and you call it repulsive. <w< i'd love to see what you call the chinglish being spoken by some of my foreign friends.
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I've removed the most off-topic posts.
"If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind."
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Rakuen Growlithe wrote: Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:36 pm I've removed the most off-topic posts.
What about the rest of them, or is this what I think it is.
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It turns out the vast majority of the off-topic posts were yours. The other people's posts are either fully or mostly on topic or replies to posts that are on topic. If you feel the need to discuss further or have issues with posts that are still here, you can take it up with me in a PM.
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While this is originally about social media, it applies to fandoms and other online communities just as well.

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Rakuen Growlithe wrote: Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:36 pm I've removed the most off-topic posts.
Owo you know i'm actually genuinely impressed, it almost feels like all that constant bitching i do was somehow heard and listened to. UwU/ normally by now threads would have been locked, people kicked off the forum and butts thoroughly hurting. however here we see the firedog addressing the problem in a calm and fair way... <w< hasn't even called anyone an a-moral retard yet.
honestly that kinda takes the fun out of shameless shitposting a bit, but i guess its a call to up our game and get more creative.

but anywho: i still kinda feel like the issue is not yet resolved, UwU/ someone was calling MY fandom a breeding ground for snowflakes and excessive fagotory yet i have shown that its not a feature of the fandom but rather just shit getting trod into the fandom by jerks that don't wipe their feet. and the OP has even inadvertently proven this point himself.
SO
yee sinners, confess! refute my words now or forever stop this self hating fandom bashing crap.
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I know I am a bit late to the party on this one but better late than never.

The fandom on average is softer than society at large and offers escapism for people who need it. A consequence of that, as the original poster points out, is it allows some overly sensitive, childish individuals a comfort zone in which they are never challenged to improve. I argue that there are many more perfectly well-adjusted and successful individuals in the fandom who are entitled to seek some reprieve from societal pressure by creating whatever culture or community they choose without having to worry about the development of special snowflakes because at the end of the day, those snowflakes are not their responsibility. Why should they be?

That really is the crux of the matter: these snowflakes you are worried about, SirFox, are not my problem, or yours.

There are many, many avenues of support out there for people who need self-improvement, so much so that the furry fandom - which is a supposed to be a fun recreational space (as Leeward pointed out) - does not need to be overhauled to be another one of those support centers for special needs kids. Even if we do change this environment to make it a little more accommodating and a little less forgiving, then those special individuals will probably just go somewhere else where they feel safe: after all (as Animew pointed out), this is not an issue unique to our fandom and those special snowflakes have many other fandoms or communities to seek refuge in, short of making their own 'safe spaces' which does happen.

So whose responsibility is it then to develop these people? Probably their family, friends, and educational institutions and real life experiences but definitely not the furry fandom.
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