Gun control

[Sev]

The difference is things like cars aren't purpose-built for death :p

It's all about the intent of the user. Crossbows are made for killing and yet no one wants to ban them...

Same reason slapping a Type R or AMG badge instantly ups your insurance premium.

Or GSX-R in my case. Man that was painful.

[Fluke]

I think your accidents might also have something to do with that, whereas with me - not so much.

[Sev]

That was before I had ever claimed from insurance. I had a clean record. It was only because I am under 25.

[Randall]

I fear this thread is going the way of the flamefest.
All I want is to be safe.

[Leeward]

A: "Guns!"
B: "No guns!"
A: "Guns!"
B: "No guns!"
A: "Guns!" *Shoots B.*
B: "No guns!" *Does nothing and lays there bleeding.*

Sorry I just felt like being silly.

Okay so what about swords then? Broadswords, rapiers, katanas, and the like. Even replicas are bloody dangerous. Hehehe "bloody", get it?

[Sev]

Once again, the UK does not disappoint:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7331099.stm

[Sev]

The funny thing is that all of this has reminded me of why I consider the UK to be by far the worst first world country. The UK is one of the few Western societies that I would take South Africa over.

[Randall]

I agree, I would not live there, not under any condition. My line of work will get me into trouble with the law, for starters, and let's not go down my anti-censorship, liberal views, road.

[Raven Song]

Okay Sev so let me just put the record straight on WHY the UK has to put silly bans on things like replica swords etc. and knives and all the things that human beings should really know better than to not use. I'm going to sound like a jerk, but seeing as I FEKKING LIVE HERE AND HAVE FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE I think I kind of qualify to answer this:

Historically:
1970's to 1980's: England has a nice little problem on her hands - youngsters with shitty attitudes. Hooligan gangs run amock, aged 13 to over 20 and they claim each borough as their own. This was brought about due to three reasons:
1) The war. reason being that during that time many kids and families were moved out of the cities where they were being bombed to places like Wales, but a lot were also left behid (their families couldn't afford the move etc. My grandmother was moved because of my great grandfather being in the army) This left the remaining few kids to run around and do as they pleased. They started defending their territories.
2) football hooligans - I quote from Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_ ... ly_history

The first instance of football violence is unknown, but the phenomenon can be traced back to 14th-century England. In 1314, Edward II banned football (at that time, a violent, unruly activity involving rival villages kicking a pig's bladder across the local heath) because he believed the disorder surrounding matches might lead to social unrest, or even treason.

This has been a part of English and indeed European subculture since before time itself. We defend our shit. Like the Americans. Americans go banana's for their football teams. We shiv our neighbors for ours. Pubs here ban away fans in fear of starting riots. It isn't just youngsters that misbehave, older ones do too, especially those from certain area's (Yes Manchester, I'm looking at you!)

3) Education. This is a tricky one. Almost all kids in the United Kingdom receive education of some sorts. The legal leaving age for school is 16 here, that gives you O levels, the equivalent of grade 10 in SA. Many kids leave at this age, because as teens we're smarter than school, so fek the system. My dad did it, and he's a CEO now. So how does this affect why people stab each other.
Kids leave because friends leave. Then they're bored. They have little left to do. It's hard to get a job that isn't sweeping the streets or working in a corner shop when you're only sixteen. many do manage it, but many don't. and so they roam around in "packs" and get up to mischief. Normally mischief is graffiti or loitering, but on the odd occasion it's picking a fight with the rival gang.

So that's the history of that. Then there's the Open Door Policy:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/400239 ... s-40-years

So the open door policy means that people who have a EU passport are free to come into the country for upwards of six months without question. Here they can try find work, settle down, use our homeless/jobless funds and marry our women. ALL WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO SPEAK ENGLISH.

This makes for two problems:
1) The locals aren't happy. Fek I'm not even a local (BUT I do have a red passport, and my heritage is British on both family sides) and I'm unhappy. If you aren't from Bangladesh, Pakistan or the Middle East and you live in my neighbourhood, good fekking luck getting a job. The bastards wont hire you unless you're there race and creed. Same goes with the Polish in most areas. This is illegal, but they don't care. It all started with the Ugandan's who were fleeing their country. They came in, took over the newspaper agents and kept it all in the family.

2) The Europeans aren't as "educated as us" Not the ones immigrating here anyway. There are quite a number who come here seeking further education (my flatmate is an example, greek dude, studying at London Metro) but the majority aren't. They just heard that here you can earn enough to survive IN POUNDS without having to work. Yay... benefits.

England has dug it's own grave there.

So why ban things. wel when tensions get high, people get irrational. between hooligans running around stabbing rivals, and local hooligans running around stabbing non local hooligans, something needs to be done.

So bans are put in place. we don't have as many stabbings. Literally in the five months that I've lived here the only stabbings I've heard of were the guy in Leyton (a twenty minute walk from my home) who stabbed someone and yelled "For ISIS", and a poor kid celebrating his sixteenth birthday in a park got stabbed,

"He is said to have been involved in fight with four other male youths"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ondon.html

So yes, fine, even though we've banned knives there are still people running around with them stabbing each other.

But crime has decreased substantially in the UK since the bans were brought about. (except 2014 it seems... we had a bad year there...)

Banning things like katana's is around to protect people. And Leeward on your point maybe they ought to be banned in SA considering one of the most high profile cases in our recent history was those kids in Slipknot masks and their katana's...

At the end of the day Sev and Sonic, the UK may not be perfect, but neither is the USA. The USA has just as many problems. At lease the UK doesn't have a bazillion stories of mass school shootings. Park stabbings on occasion, and threats of bombs being built (that one had us laughing because the morons told their neighbours they were planning a big surprise for new years then spent three weeks locked in their garage making loud banging noises... something suspicious me thinks )

Europeans come to us because we offer something very few other countries do. Security. Even if you cant speak the language (which annoys the fek out the English) you are guaranteed to get a home, a job and enough to live. Out transport is almost always spot on. Our cities are clean and friendly. And we have free museums... which is awesome.

I'm glad someone pointed out the katana thing though because I was going to bring my replica katana across from SA now I wont

[Randall]

What about all the adults, during that period, with shitty attitudes, and their strikes, which basically ruined all manufacturing industries in the UK?

So much of this is echoed, even in popular culture.

I have family there, and yet, I have no desire to live there. Not in that nanny state

[Raven Song]

What about all the adults, during that period, with shitty attitudes, and their strikes, which basically ruined all manufacturing industries in the UK?

So much of this is echoed, even in popular culture.

I have family there, and yet, I have no desire to live there. Not in that nanny state

Let me guess, you don't want to live in Australia either?

The adults with shitty attitudes have shitty attitudes because the English culture is "bitch complain and be a pain and they'll fix shit" which they do...

I don't know enough about the ruined manufacturing industries. I'll have to research that a bit more and draw my own conclusions because, as I was not an adult in the 1970's I don't know exactly what they went through...

[Randall]

I have an issue with any nanny state, and that does rule out Australia yes. In any case they do not want me. That is why I will rather make a move to countries in the EU, such as Germany, Austria, or Norway.

[Raven Song]

And yet Germany has a large proportion of people who would rather live in UK and Australia... in fact one of my closest friends was born and raised in Berlin and said that half his class in school hated it and didn't want to be adults in that country...

But none of this has to do with Gun Control. Country hating/loving is a complete different subject, one that I don't want to get into.

[Rakuen Growlithe]

I have an issue with any nanny state, and that does rule out Australia yes. In any case they do not want me. That is why I will rather make a move to countries in the EU, such as Germany, Austria, or Norway.

http://www.thelocal.at/20160111/eu-gun- ... collectors

Banning things like katana's is around to protect people. And Leeward on your point maybe they ought to be banned in SA considering one of the most high profile cases in our recent history was those kids in Slipknot masks and their katana's...

But it doesn't make sense to ban something because of an isolated event. Also there are not many alternatives to a gun, which is why those restrictions are tenable. Other ranged weapons like bows, blowdarts and crossbows have certain advantages but cannot be concealed, do not have the same range and do not provide rapid fire. That makes them unsuitable for criminal use. Swords are dangerous but even if they, and knives, are banned there are still equally dangerous kitchen knives and tools, like axes and machetes. Those tools also serve a functional purpose in other situations. Guns are far more limited in their non-killing utility, especially in an urban environment.

[Sev]

With enough creativity and knowhow, anything can be turned into a deadly weapon. Hell, explosives and chemical weapons could be manufactured in someone's back yard. We should ban fertilizer and chlorine!

And science textbooks!

[Ocean knight]

And science textbooks!

I agree ban textbooks!

[Leeward]

What I was getting at with the katanas is where is the limit? Ban guns, then knives, then swords and replicas, but then what about ice picks, spades, fireplace pokers, crowbars and the like? You can't ban all sharp objects, that would be ridiculous.

[Randall]

Leeward, the UK is heading towards it. I guess by 2025 you'll need a permit/license to own a set of cutlery.

Whether the other furs like it or not, the die is cast, we are procuring a firearm.
I have installed the safe that is required by law, already. The shit is going to hit the fan in this country, that is a reality. What happened in Zim, is now coming to pass here.

My parents have managed to secure themselves passage to New Zealand, so that leaves me alone on the property to protect my family. Additionally, I will remain behind to sell up the property when its time for me to go.

I am going to any country where there is a good quality of life for me, without the NANNY STATE or stupid laws and PC bullshit. This requirement rules out, New Zealand, Australia and the UK.

[Sev]

What I was getting at with the katanas is where is the limit? Ban guns, then knives, then swords and replicas, but then what about ice picks, spades, fireplace pokers, crowbars and the like? You can't ban all sharp objects, that would be ridiculous.

Don't forget blunt objects like baseball bats and bass guitars.

I am going to any country where there is a good quality of life for me, without the NANNY STATE or stupid laws and PC bullshit. This requirement rules out, New Zealand, Australia and the UK.

The US is also seriously into being PC. So strike that one off of your list too.
And Central and Northern Europe won't fit that bill either, because of their socialist tendencies.
And, of course, Japan is far too alien a culture to easily naturalize to.

I guess that that leaves the Moon and Mars, take your pick. /s

Realistically, you will be by far the best off by going to an English speaking country. Accents are one thing, but never being able to fluently speak the language of your host country, or understand their cultures, will make life difficult.

[Obsidian]

The US is pretty big and I don't think all the states are all that PC, apparently Texas is pretty much speak your mind. So said an elderly Texan couple and some U.S backpackers I spoke to while on holiday. I have otherwise never been anywhere in the U.S besides the retirement village that is Florida so I speak only from what other U.S people have told me.

[Sev]

It's a nation that's so obsessed with being PC, that some people go out of their way to not be PC, so as to prove a point. You need only watch the news or listen to the presidential candidates to realize this.

[Obsidian]

You need only watch the news or listen to the presidential candidates to realize this.

Well besides Trump anyways

On topic though we have shot guns for clay pigeon shooting, they are very low calibre and we were told provided it wasn't almost point blank range the chances of killing someone with it are low (severe injury not so low, but that could be said about many weapons or implements used for violance). We use them purely for sport as one would use a bow or crossbow. Getting it was already pretty tough considering our reasons, making gun laws stricter would make me sad personally as I enjoy the sport.

[Randall]

The US is pretty big and I don't think all the states are all that PC, apparently Texas is pretty much speak your mind. So said an elderly Texan couple and some U.S backpackers I spoke to while on holiday. I have otherwise never been anywhere in the U.S besides the retirement village that is Florida so I speak only from what other U.S people have told me.

As we know, much of the world's silicon chip is worked on in places like Arizona, Texas, and San Jose.
If I can go there, I will. The BS factor is pretty low there, and there's lots of South Africans there, last I checked.

[Sev]

Well besides Trump anyways

Funny that you say that; he's the one that does it the most.

In December, he said Merry Christmas several times during all of his rallies.

[Raven Song]

Well besides Trump anyways

Funny that you say that; he's the one that does it the most.

In December, he said Merry Christmas several times during all of his rallies.

But did he say Happy Hunnakah?

Trump is only PC towards the majority that fits his ego and strokes it. He's only PC towards the "typical" (I don't mean everyone in America is like this but I mean the ones with the loudest voice) Christian White Americans. He doesn't care for the rest of the population and isn't PC towards them.

Unless they're illegal Mexicans working in his hotels...

[Randall]

I think this thread is going waaaaay off the topic...

[Raven Song]

it always does...

[Sev]

And I honestly believe in cases like this that that is not as big a deal as people make out.

This is a furry forum. It's meant for fun and interaction. Overly rigid rules will kill both of those things.

[Raven Song]

It's not a big deal. there will always be two sides (or more) to the argument... some will agree with having guns, some will disagree.

what I love about this forum is we can get all agro at each other here and BAM, tease each other broken on another part of the forum.

It's what makes us awesome and stuff...

[Sev]

Like when I told one of Leeward's friends that he wasn't quite fat enough for a mobility scooter.