Discord?
Re: Discord?
Zagamun had (and still has) every right to use the forum logo, as does Eylof. Whether it is logical or fair does not matter, that's just how it is, not my opinion.
It astounds me that nobody seemed to care that there was a zafur discord server until somebody (Rakuen) realised it was using the forum branding, and suddenly it was a disagreement to be amicably resolved. And then you had to go and re-create it with yourselves in charge, because now that you know there's a demand for it there has to be a zafur discord server, but an official one. Nice power trip.
It astounds me that nobody seemed to care that there was a zafur discord server until somebody (Rakuen) realised it was using the forum branding, and suddenly it was a disagreement to be amicably resolved. And then you had to go and re-create it with yourselves in charge, because now that you know there's a demand for it there has to be a zafur discord server, but an official one. Nice power trip.
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From my side, I apologize for causing such a disturbance in regards to that. You want an admittance of guilt, I asked that it be taken down yes.
However, Valerion and I both explained a particular position in respect to it and that should honestly be the end of it. It was thought to be creative property in the very least of ZAFur and had people asked to be able to use the logo it would have been a different story altogether.
However, Valerion and I both explained a particular position in respect to it and that should honestly be the end of it. It was thought to be creative property in the very least of ZAFur and had people asked to be able to use the logo it would have been a different story altogether.
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No, he does not. You can't misrepresent yourself as being part of something and use the logo and name without permission.
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Re: Discord?
Would you kindly back that up, please?
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Re: Discord?
The Discord group that I created, was to show how quickly people will lose their head about petty stuff.
Right anyway, as a business owner myself I can say , please show me the documents stating that the logo may not be used by anyone else.
If the "copyright/Trademark" documents can not be presented then the logo is allowed to be used by whom ever.
Right anyway, as a business owner myself I can say , please show me the documents stating that the logo may not be used by anyone else.
If the "copyright/Trademark" documents can not be presented then the logo is allowed to be used by whom ever.
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/oliverherz ... 0224a23300
Creative licensing at the very least. Do you take other people's art and post it as your own?
Creative licensing at the very least. Do you take other people's art and post it as your own?
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It would actually probably be considered an unregistered trademark which is valid due to use and protected under common law.
https://www.lexology.com/library/detail ... 54075fec60
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Ownership of a trademark is established on a first-to-use basis. Registration is not mandatory to establish rights.
Unregistered trademarks are protected under the common law. /../ This includes the act of passing off, where a trader misrepresents its business or product as that of or associated with that of another, resulting in a reasonable likelihood of confusion among the public.
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Re: Discord?
I can latterly go and pay an amount to claim the logo as my own, since it has not been registered.
If you want to copyright stuff do it right, otherwise it's free for the taking.
In court it will not hold up "But I designed it, its mine" the judge will ask do you have proof and reg. claiming it is yours? and you say no the case will be dismissed.
Don't understand even why there is a problem be proud about people from ZA using the ZA furry logo on ZA servers.
What difference does it make if someone use it? will you lose money? Probably not you get "free" advertisement for the ZA furry fandom and it's site.
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If you want to copyright stuff do it right, otherwise it's free for the taking.
In court it will not hold up "But I designed it, its mine" the judge will ask do you have proof and reg. claiming it is yours? and you say no the case will be dismissed.
Don't understand even why there is a problem be proud about people from ZA using the ZA furry logo on ZA servers.
What difference does it make if someone use it? will you lose money? Probably not you get "free" advertisement for the ZA furry fandom and it's site.
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Re: Discord?
In theory you can without issue as long as you're not benefiting from it.
Also it varies by country so don't assume that a US law applies in SA.
None of the underlined apply.Rakuen Growlithe wrote: ↑Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:21 pmwhere a trader misrepresents its business or product as that of or associated with that of another, resulting in a reasonable likelihood of confusion among the public.
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Hence why it was specifically about SA.
Artyloop was under the impression the Discord server was official so there was confusion. In fact, there being confusion is what pointed to there being a problem.
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One person is not the public.
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Re: Discord?
This thing has been blown out of proportion. It was, but the conversation could have continued if they wanted to use the logo. This is my conversation with Zaga up and until the logo was changed.
Ivic Wulfe, [03.02.18 17:18]
Not too much, I'm one of the admins for ZAfur and we're wondering about the use of the logo for ZAfur and the name of your group. Did you get permissions to use that from any of the other admins?
Z [03.02.18 17:18]
The name is pretty generic. Sorry about the logo though, I can change that.
Z [03.02.18 17:19]
The forum name is ZAFur, the server is just ZA Furries
Ivic Wulfe, [03.02.18 17:19]
I get that. I'll speak to Rakuen about it
Ivic Wulfe, [03.02.18 17:20]
Thanks for being accomodating.
Ivic Wulfe, [03.02.18 17:18]
Not too much, I'm one of the admins for ZAfur and we're wondering about the use of the logo for ZAfur and the name of your group. Did you get permissions to use that from any of the other admins?
Z [03.02.18 17:18]
The name is pretty generic. Sorry about the logo though, I can change that.
Z [03.02.18 17:19]
The forum name is ZAFur, the server is just ZA Furries
Ivic Wulfe, [03.02.18 17:19]
I get that. I'll speak to Rakuen about it
Ivic Wulfe, [03.02.18 17:20]
Thanks for being accomodating.
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Re: Discord?
Sorry doesn't quite work like that.Rakuen Growlithe wrote: ↑Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:02 pmNo, he does not. You can't misrepresent yourself as being part of something and use the logo and name without permission.
And FYI I have been sued over worse shit than this... and as a result I know the lie of the land about this sort of thing. Those that "get on their high horse about their supposed logo" usually come off second best. Knowing how things work here, I seriously doubt you're about to go off and lodge documents at the CIPC because you either don't have the money or you don't care about the fandom that much. I think the latter is closer to the truth.
Also, under current South African law, I can go design a t-shirt tomorrow and print it, using a stylized ZAFur logo and put the words under it "ZA Faggots" or some such... and you cannot do a thing to me about it. You'll just waste a lot of money in lawyering up, that is, if you have that kind of money to spend anyway.
For what its worth, I used your logo on a website for a long time, and you had nothing to say about that, oddly enough. I deleted it once you began to piss me off.
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Re: Discord?
It is being blown out of proportion, yes. Mostly because Rakuen insists on acting like he knows better but meanwhile he's just googling for articles (which may be outdated or biased) that support his argument instead of providing the actual acts.
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Re: Discord?
I will note that South Africa is a Berne Convention country, and as such copyright registration is not mandatory to gain protection.
http://www.wipo.int/treaties/en/ip/bern ... berne.html
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(b) Protection must not be conditional upon compliance with any formality (principle of "automatic" protection) [2].
(c) Protection is independent of the existence of protection in the country of origin of the work (principle of "independence" of protection). If, however, a Contracting State provides for a longer term of protection than the minimum prescribed by the Convention and the work ceases to be protected in the country of origin, protection may be denied once protection in the country of origin ceases [3].
Re: Discord?
Let me correct you- I KNEW FROM THE START it had no affiliation with ZAfur. I started there because I asked Leeward where I could interact with furries. The fact that it was called that, and was absent of you or anyone else, immediately made me feel at ease, and also flipped the flag in my head to know you're not in control of it.Rakuen Growlithe wrote: ↑Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:28 pm Artyloop was under the impression the Discord server was official so there was confusion. In fact, there being confusion is what pointed to there being a problem.
Stop assuming you know what goes on in my mind or the minds of any other furries for that matter.
That is why people don't like him and why he irritates me to no end. Nothing he posts is original, its like talking to a bloody machine, or perhaps a piece of AI software that is connected to the Google search engine.
And I am sorry to say, as someone who has used logos, worked with copy writing and DTP and handled company branding, your claim about copyright on this forum is about as weak as pissing in the wind.
But if that is how its going to play out, I suggest you better get the copyright statements on the forum ASAP. I also then will stop posting here as you will then not be entitled to claim copyright on my posts.
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Re: Discord?
Looking back you did use official in quotation marks, although you also stated that the logo and the same name combined were reasons it felt more official. So it's difficult to say that there is no confusion while at the same time maintaining it seems more related than other Discord servers.
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OMFG, would it kill you to stop nitpicking insignificant bullshit and admit you're wrong, for once in your life?
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Please indicate where I said I would claim copyright on any of your art pieces here? Please indicate where I have taken such an action in the past?ArtyLoop wrote: ↑Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:39 pmLet me correct you- I KNEW FROM THE START it had no affiliation with ZAfur. I started there because I asked Leeward where I could interact with furries. The fact that it was called that, and was absent of you or anyone else, immediately made me feel at ease, and also flipped the flag in my head to know you're not in control of it.Rakuen Growlithe wrote: ↑Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:28 pm Artyloop was under the impression the Discord server was official so there was confusion. In fact, there being confusion is what pointed to there being a problem.
Stop assuming you know what goes on in my mind or the minds of any other furries for that matter.
That is why people don't like him and why he irritates me to no end. Nothing he posts is original, its like talking to a bloody machine, or perhaps a piece of AI software that is connected to the Google search engine.
And I am sorry to say, as someone who has used logos, worked with copy writing and DTP and handled company branding, your claim about copyright on this forum is about as weak as pissing in the wind.
But if that is how its going to play out, I suggest you better get the copyright statements on the forum ASAP. I also then will stop posting here as you will then not be entitled to claim copyright on my posts.
The ONLY part we object to is the use of the forum logo in an unauthorized manner, or the ZAFur name. I was under the impression that would be simple courtesy. Clearly I was mistaken.
Back to the topic at hand, I will open the server over the weekend.
Re: Discord?
Nope he won't he knows everything and is always right, as I've come to learn over the years.
The fail in this thread just blows my mind...
If it was my little empire, I'd be glad someone started up a Discord server and I didn't have to take time out of my schedule to manage it.
This whole matter has nothing to do with copyright or whatnot actually. People are using the logo I designed for my projects on e621!!!!!!!!!
So do you see me going out there and threatening the owner and telling him to TAKE DOWN DAT LOGO.
You know what, this is an exercise in futility, I am tired of banging my head against stupid!
This shit has wasted enough of my time, and this forum is 1% of the fandom any way.
I'm out
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Re: Discord?
So... Back on topic:
Now that the poll has ended, will an official server be made?
Now that the poll has ended, will an official server be made?
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Fantastic! Look forward to joining it.
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Do you guys need someone who has experience running the SA server because I've got a rather large gamer Discord going with bots and all. I wouldn't mind assisting if it is required.
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Let's chat on Discord about this.Tigris Astartes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:29 pm Do you guys need someone who has experience running the SA server because I've got a rather large gamer Discord going with bots and all. I wouldn't mind assisting if it is required.
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"If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind."
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*notices your discord channel* OwO whats this?
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idk if you know about discord having an SA server, but if you haven't yet you should change discord server location to SA.
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I think it was already set up that way from the start. Or it got changed soon after being set up.
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