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Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:08 am**

...That explains like 90% of relationships. -.- Here's an interesting fact. 100% of straight people are not attracted to 100% of the people of the opposite sex. There are far more aspects that affect preference. Some people will say no because of colour or size or age or income. They are just more layers.

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:10 am**

Yeah, but someone who is demisexual should have no sexual attraction to someone they do not have an emotional attachment to. The popularity of pornography proves that an emotional attachment is not required for sexual attraction in the majority of the population.

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:13 am**

You can also be attracted to the situation of the porn. Although maybe that's more limited to fetish porn...

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:14 am**

Rakuen Growlithe wrote:...That explains like 90% of relationships. -.- Here's an interesting fact. 100% of straight people are not attracted to 100% of the people of the opposite sex. There are far more aspects that affect preference. Some people will say no because of colour or size or age or income. They are just more layers.

No... It's a little more complicated than that...
Although I'm rather new to it, so I can't exactly claim to be an expert...

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:15 am**

In the strictest sense, a demisexual person will not feel attraction to someone that they don't know or care about under any circumstances.

I'm not sure how this works in practice, but that's the requirement.

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:20 am**

Sev wrote:In the strictest sense, a demisexual person will not feel attraction to someone that they don't know or care about under any circumstances.

I'm not sure how this works in practice, but that's the requirement.

Yep! That sums it up pretty nicely

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:22 am**

Can still pretty much be simplified to bisexual.

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:27 am**

This is all silly, really.

Sexuality is like a rhombus:
On the Y-axis, you have a person's predilection for attraction, with a fox being at the top, and someone who is completely asexual at the bottom.
On the X-axis, you have gender based attraction. Completely to the left and you're 100% heterosexual, and completely to the right and you're 100% homosexual.

People exist somewhere inside of this polygon; they just decide to give the point that they exist on it some arbitrary label.

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:29 am**

Can we agreed that because this isn't a dating site (still sad about that fact), people don't want to jump in each others pants and textbook accurate label are overkill. The labels are there so you don't make comments that might offend (which you shouldn't anyway).

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:39 am**

How about - remote the pun and just leave the field a blank text-entry, so that you can put in whatever your special-snowflake-heart desires.

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:40 am**

Fluke's attraction would be towards anime girls.

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:45 am**

Sev wrote:Fluke's attraction would be towards anime girls.

Don't try and label me, I am a particle-fluid-gender-neutral pH-balanced kawaii-lover!

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:59 am**

What the hell were all of you doing posting at 1AM this morning for?

Also, Leeward, we could just do it like Facebook, and show an 'interested in' option (interested in males, females, males and females). I know you already suggested that after expressing frustration when nobody supported gyno-- pussy lovers.

RavenSong wrote:... and having an accurate sexual preference tag is something that's bugged me forever. Because while I'm sure no one gives a fuck that I am asexual - I give a fuck. it's a part of me.

No, you're asexual: you don't give any fucks. That's the point.

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:34 am**

I fall into one of the three 'main' sexual orientation groups and therefore I don't care about people who feel like they don't fit into the main arbitrary boxes.I don't have a problem with being represented so why should we change the options? /sarcasm

The previous problem with adding things to a list / changing the order (the region one), was the change in order will mess the existing choices up
So gay; bi-gay; bi; bi-straight; straight; lesbian; prefer not to say; are existing and removing and moving them will mess the system up,
Just adding options, will that mess the system up too?
If not, then Demi- pan- , Asexual, questioning/ undecided can be added without it being a problem no?
The only "problem" from adding more sexualities is the "problem" that more people might feel represented.

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:56 am**

Ryalll - you made me snort my milk.

Rakuen - OMG WE FOUND SOMETHIG RAKUEN'S NEVER HEARD OF! SOMEONE CALL THE NEWSPAPERS!
Just because you've never heard of it doesn't make it any less real. The only reason I cant use that same argument with the big words Leeward used is because the alternatives we suggested lots of people have heard and use on a daily basis.

Would putting in a blankity blank system work? I could finally express my furnisexual desires...

I genuinely feel that simply adding the three new ones would help. No change needed to the previous list. But as I'm not a mod or anything, the decision lies with you guys.

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2016 11:06 am**

Could we maybe add Petrosexual? There are people who love vehicles.

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2016 11:11 am**

You guys are making me regret this suggestion, big time...

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2016 11:16 am**

Okay in all seriousness - I agree with your intentions Leeward. I do agree that the list needs to be more comprehensive but, it also needs to be simple for us unintelligent zombie food hoards.

Therefore:
Heterosexual
Homosexual
Bisexual
Asexual
Demisexual
Pansexual
Undecided
Does it Matter?

I agree that we could call them homo and hetero because with the new gender options, people can draw there own conclusions on what I like...

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2016 11:30 am**

Again, as said here about changing the order of the dropdown list:
http://forum.zafur.co.za/viewtopic.php? ... 120#p80466

Valerion wrote:The hassle with this is (and we found out by accident) is that the DB stores a number, corresponding to the position in the list. I pointed out to the previous admins that Free State was missing, and when it was added, all furs with the "Other" category got listed as "Free State".

We can change that, but it would mean everyone has to update their profiles, or we'd have incorrect data. Or we need to do a fairly massive DB cleanup.

Gay
Bi mostly gay
Bi
Bi mostly straight
Straight
Lesbian
Prefer not to say

Is the current one, that means removing the extra Bi options and Lesbian option, would break all the current set orientations.

So either it messes up the whole thing, it doesn't change at all, or they get updated but nothing is removed, is what it seems like the options are.

Homosexual -Gay
Bisexual - mostly Homosexual
Bisexual
Bisexual - mostly Heterosexual
Heterosexual
Homosexual - Lesbian
Prefer not to say
Asexual
Demisexual
Pansexual
Undecided
Does it Matter?

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2016 11:36 am**

It's not that complicated a DB change: gay and lesbian get merged into homosexual, a few options get added, and the rest is either just renamed or unchanged.

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2016 11:45 am**

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2016 12:00 pm**

but what if sexy sex is my job...

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2016 1:41 pm**

I shall no longer debate about the feasibility of the suggestion, as I have already conceded.

I am curious, however, Leeward.

You expressed this opinion in THIS thread:

Leeward wrote:I think this is universally being made way too big a deal out of. Why should anyone care what someone else identifies as? If someone tells me they're transgender, my internal reaction is "Okay cool, whatever. Doesn't change a thing, you're still the same person to me. Let's carry on." Unless they ask me to switch pronouns or whatever, then I'll happily oblige, because what's the harm? Same goes for when someone tells me they're anything but straight, I'm like "That's cool, good for you. I don't care any more or less than if you were straight." I mean really, it doesn't affect you in any way, so why make such a huge fuss over it? And I mean this in both directions: hostility and approval. Neither is necessary. Just get on with your life.

If sexuality is relatively insignificant in the grand scheme, why are you requesting to have its labels changed on the forum? This is not an ad hominem or an attempt to reignite our previous discussion. It is a genuine question.

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:27 pm**

Actually, to be completely honest here, I'm kind of jealous about all major genders being included, but not all major orientations. Even if it is a two-axis scale, there aren't that many regions that can be delineated, and most of them are already there. I mean if we're being inclusive here why include some but not others? That's what doesn't make sense to me. People are all like "Yay, new genders!" but when I suggest new orientations they're like "Nah, too complicated." Dafuq?

Also that pun has been an eye-sore to me since the day I joined.

EDIT: Another thing... yeah, this isn't a dating site, but people have met future partners here before (Ryall and VoxLupus, Sev and Taka, Tocs and Rocket, to name a few). But besides that, why are some people complaining about it not being necessary to make the sexual orientation field more specific when they clearly have their own preference listed? That seems very hypocritical to me.

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:39 pm**

Thank you for explaining your viewpoint.

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2016 6:35 pm**

Remember that without going and editing the database manually (which I am NOT in a mood for), lists can't have items removed, or added (except at the end). Otherwise we affect people's existing profiles.

This is one reason why I am hesitant to modify lists frequently, but I am willing to add a few more options.

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:13 pm**

I assume that it's since sort of relational DB?

You would need a command to change all of the foreign ID's for orientation that are currently Lesbian to Gay.

You would then change the string values of each entry in orientation to its new equivalent (gay => homosexual).

Finally, you would add the new entries to orientation.

I work with Entity Framework and T-SQL as part of my job as a full stack developer, and this is a pretty simple operation, since all of the current entries can be mapped to one of the new entries.

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:19 pm**

"Frequently"? Okay I know I've made reorganisation-related suggestions before, but I wouldn't exactly call them frequent. Besides it's not that complicated, in SQL it'd be something like this:

Code: Select all

UPDATE members SET pref="Homosexual" WHERE pref="Gay" OR pref="Lesbian";

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:30 pm**

Or just add the three new requested options and leave life simple...

Posted: **Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:44 pm**

Leeward wrote:"Frequently"? Okay I know I've made reorganisation-related suggestions before, but I wouldn't exactly call them frequent. Besides it's not that complicated, in SQL it'd be something like this:
Code: Select all
UPDATE members SET pref="Homosexual" WHERE pref="Gay" OR pref="Lesbian";

That's a bad way of doing it, because you should only change the names after everything has been moved.

Remember, in the Member table, those will be foreign keys (ID's, in other words), not strings.

So it would be more like this:

Code: Select all

UPDATE members SET Orientation=1 WHERE Orientation=2;

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