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Management reshuffle

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We have had a lot of discussions over the past few months, and some changes appeared at the top.
  • Ivic_Wulfe has resigned as Community Representative and has instead taken up the mantle of Global Moderator.
  • Leeward have been promoted to head the Community Representatives.
  • Faanvolla has been retained as Community Representative.
  • Tocs has been newly appointed as Community Representative.
  • Adagio has been newly appointed as Community Representative.
I would like to welcome the new team aboard, and hope we'll work together well.
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'Grats to Ivic on the green, and to Adagio and Tocs on the purple! :D
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Been a long time since there was a green name.
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hey, natural colour. :D thanks for the opportunity. :D

Grats Lee, Adagio and Tocs on the promotion. All the best.
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The sad thing is that there are now more elevated privilege forumites than there are regular forumites.

I suppose that that's at least a small consolation for me and Raven. We're special precisely because we aren't.
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There's only one extra person with a coloured name now and community reps don't have any control over the forum.
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Doesn't matter when that title is restricted almost entirely to the forum. I don't think that the WhatsApp groups care much about what goes on here.
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Congrats on all and happy to be apart of it :)
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Congrats on All your promotions to all!! Ivic_Wulfe ,Leeward ,Faanvolla ,Tocs ,Adagio .
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dont forget me Sev Im still here too I just dont coment as much as I used to back then.
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You might be here, but a small forum cannot survive mostly on people who post once every blood moon.

To prove a point that I made earlier, here is a list of very active people on the forum.
RavenSong
Sev
Leeward (Head CR)
Rakuen (Admin)
Fido [That is if you count his incessant ranting]
Sonic [Same as above, really]

Here are the somewhat active people:
Contrast
Asbjorn
Ivic (GM)
Valerion (Admin)
Adagio (CR)
Tocs (CR)

[Midnight is too new for me to consider her an active member]

That means that 7 out of the 12 are part of "Management" - Valerion's words, not mine.
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I agree with Sev in absolutely every way. I've been physically incapable of writing a nice enough response because the truth of the matter is. I am hurt.

I am genuinely hurt.

I have not just been a member of this forum for what has been the better half of my adult life, I have also dedicated more than the majority of my time to this place. I have given what could be considered my left arm for the community, I have supported near on everyone and the fact that this was never even up for discussion, well... thanks.

Had I "lost" in a legitimate "you were nominated, we voted, thanks for coming have a gift back in the way out", I would be okay. But that's not what happened. You guys sat in your high castle, and you picked the few you liked, and bobs your Aunty, we have a new management system.

I'm sorry if this offends anyone. And I'm mot sorry at the same time. I may sit in a foreign country but I still give more of my day to this forum than most people and I'm still sitting here twiddling my thumbs wondering why the fek am I in a fandom that doesn't actually give two sporks.

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*sighs*

I am sorry you feel unhappy about this.

I've been accused of partisanship by members before.
People leave the forum because I am Admin and autocratic
People leave the forum because Rakuen isn't nice and gentle with them
People leave the forum because there isn't enough moderators
People leave the forum becase there isn't a way to talk to the admins, since we are unapproachable
Apparently people don't want to bother me with issues related to the forum and the problems they have
Now there's too many of us and I am being autocratic again
The life of a furry forum admin is learning that you lose coming AND going. I am used to that by now.

I eventually created the CR's as a way to give the forum members a voice (their purpose is to come and harass us when we screw up, or when the members have a complaint). Also, to talk to the members, try and get them to understand our PoV. In this, I think Ivic did well. I will admit here that we asked him to step down as CR, as we considered it a conflict of interest to be both Mod and CR at the same time. I try not to interfere in the CR team, as that would be defeating the purpose of it, so I asked Ivic for a suggestion as to a successor and he suggested Leeward, which I considered a good choice for various reasons. She was then asked to construct a team and submit them.

As for Ivic, he has been doing an exemplary job in his duties as a topic moderator, and he has been advising me about the forum for quite some time privately. In that, he has shown that he can do the job quite well, and are passionate about the forum and the issues it faces. Even so, the official application he did as a Mod came to us quite some time ago, as I didn't want to make a hasty decision.

I will add to this, that I had once before opened up moderator applications to the general forum public. That turned into a real disaster due to furry drama, and I had to deal with the fallout for some time.
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On the other hand there are more members and activity than ever before.
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Rakuen Growlithe wrote:On the other hand there are more members and activity than ever before.
That's a bold faced lie, and you know it.

It only appears that way because a handful are disproportionately active. It terms of variety, we're pretty much at a low right now.
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Raven, I didn't pick you for the same reason I didn't pick Yote: you're too busy with real life nonsense and I would feel bad giving you extra responsibilities. You being in England is only an added complication because the reps are region-based.
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Valerion wrote:*sighs*

I am sorry you feel unhappy about this.

I've been accused of partisanship by members before.
People leave the forum because I am Admin and autocratic
People leave the forum because Rakuen isn't nice and gentle with them
People leave the forum because there isn't enough moderators
People leave the forum becase there isn't a way to talk to the admins, since we are unapproachable
Apparently people don't want to bother me with issues related to the forum and the problems they have
Now there's too many of us and I am being autocratic again
The life of a furry forum admin is learning that you lose coming AND going. I am used to that by now.

I eventually created the CR's as a way to give the forum members a voice (their purpose is to come and harass us when we screw up, or when the members have a complaint). Also, to talk to the members, try and get them to understand our PoV. In this, I think Ivic did well. I will admit here that we asked him to step down as CR, as we considered it a conflict of interest to be both Mod and CR at the same time. I try not to interfere in the CR team, as that would be defeating the purpose of it, so I asked Ivic for a suggestion as to a successor and he suggested Leeward, which I considered a good choice for various reasons. She was then asked to construct a team and submit them.

As for Ivic, he has been doing an exemplary job in his duties as a topic moderator, and he has been advising me about the forum for quite some time privately. In that, he has shown that he can do the job quite well, and are passionate about the forum and the issues it faces. Even so, the official application he did as a Mod came to us quite some time ago, as I didn't want to make a hasty decision.

I will add to this, that I had once before opened up moderator applications to the general forum public. That turned into a real disaster due to furry drama, and I had to deal with the fallout for some time.
I do feel bad for bringing it up because even though I was upset I do feel like I had to get my point of view out there. While I see the reasoning behind it all, I still feel, and this is going to sound childishly juvenile... I feel almost brushed aside. I have for a very long time, and this was sort of the straw that broke the camels back.
You also have to understand it's hard for me. For so long I dedicated so much time to this forum and this community in general, and I feel like, even before I moved to a very lonely and foreign land, that I wasn't... appreciated. Which is most likely silly but it does not change the fact that that's how I feel.

On your comments of the "people leave" I don't know what autocratic means but I'd never leave because of you. Rakuen urks me and even though he tends to be very one sided for an admin/mod/whatever, he is often a very strong voice of reason and he does care more for this forum than most of us, more for this fandom than most of us. Yes, I may feel like I could have had an equal chance to be as good an admin/mod/whatever as Leeward or one of the reps, but what's done is done, and like any authority system, I'll accept it, Congratulate them which I haven't done yet, and move on.

Leeward, had you come to me and said "hey, this is opening up. While I would like to consider you, xx and xx are reasons I can't" I wouldnt be upset by all this. Because at least I would know straight from the horses mouth why I wasn't up for this. But you didn't. One minute I'm minding my own business and wham bam thank you ma'am announcements made and I'm in a state of hurt shock. I am fully understanding of reps should be in their province but Rakuen is a rep for the whole forum and he's in a land as foreign as I am...

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Would you rather have had me tell you "Hey, stuff is happening but you're not getting an invite because of reasons"? There's isn't really any point to such a message at all, in fact if I got that I would consider it more hurtful than finding out post-facto. I'm sorry not being in the know eventually hurt you, I just didn't want to dangle a carrot in front of you when I knew I couldn't give it.
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On account of me leaving the country in a week, I've resigned as community rep.
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Good luck, man. Hope that it all works out for you.
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Thank youu :3
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We'll miss ya Faan, take care :)
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Thanks for being part of the team!
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